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Post by Admin on Dec 21, 2023 15:55:13 GMT
Welcome to the Virtual Guest Speaker list. Please post your questions or comments for Professors Percival's lecture as replies to this thread.
Thanks, Steve Johnson
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Post by Dara Lin on Feb 27, 2024 2:33:52 GMT
Professor Percival,
There have been quite a few lawsuits brought by different plaintiffs against different oil companies based on the state law consumer fraud theories. Are there any plaintiffs who are likely to have stronger cases than others, either because of their injuries or relief sought , the evidence they’ve uncovered so far, the resources available to them in litigation, the venue in which they’ve sued, or other factors?
With gratitude, Dara Lin
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Erin Modzelewski (Mercer)
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Post by Erin Modzelewski (Mercer) on Feb 27, 2024 17:52:34 GMT
Hello, Professor Percival. Thank you so much for participating in this series and granting us the opportunity to ask you some questions regarding your lecture. I have a few that came to mind as I was listening.
1. Can the "assumption of the risk" counterargument posed by Big Tobacco during their state tort litigation apply in the context of climate change state tort litigation with Big Oil? Or is this argument weaker compared to other alternative counterarguments? 2. How might the ethical concerns about the justices on the Supreme Court impact the success of litigation against Big Oil which reaches the Court? Especially as there is no official rule requiring justices to disclose gifts given to them by oil representatives that may be implicated in cases that reach the bench, is there not a real risk to justices' impartiality when dealing with such cases? 3. Are RICO suits more likely to be filed in federal or state courts? Could the success be greater in one and not the other, depending on the broadness or continuity requirements which vary from state to state?
Thank you so much! I look forward to reading your response.
Erin Modzelewski J.D. Candidate 2025 Mercer University School of Law
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Post by Robert Percival on Feb 28, 2024 11:55:39 GMT
Thank you for your questions! Although it seems likely that some of the lawsuits will be stronger than others, the common law of torts does not vary that much from state to state and the plaintiffs are sharing evidence. The Sher Edling law firm in California has been hired by several of the plaintiffs and is playing a major role in coordinating strategy for the litigation. The most interesting thing will be to see how the RICO claims that Puerto Rico and Hoboken have added are treated by the courts. The assumption of risk argument worked when individual smokers brought claims over products that contained federally-mandated warning labels, but it has no applicability in the climate context. Instead of warning us about their products contributing to climate change, the allegation is that the fossil fuel industry deliberately tried to deceive us with their climate disinformation campaigns. There is great concern about the ethics of the Justices. John Oliver's "Last Week Tonight" episode that aired on February 18 does a great job of summarizing these concerns. See www.youtube.com/watch?v=GE-VJrdHMug Political scientists maintain that this is the most pro-business Court in recent history. However, Justice Alito has recused himself from climate litigation when brought directly against oil companies because he has owned stock in them. The good news is that, despite efforts by the oil companies to remove these cases to federal court, the federal courts have almost uniformly said the cases are pure issues of state law and remanded them back to the state courts. The companies say that because climate is a global issue these cases should be governed by federal common law and they cite the 2011 American Electric Power decision by the Supreme Court to say that federal common law is displaced by the Clean Air Act. However, that was a lawsuit in federal court brought explicitly under federal common law seeking injunctive relief to require emission cuts, so it should not affect the state common law suits. On April 24, 2023, the Supreme Court refused to hear a raft of cases making this claim. Only Justice Kavanaugh wanted to grant cert. Justice Barrett is the daughter of a Shell Oil company executive and she said it would be "awfully aggressive" of the Court to accept the oil companies' arguments and reach out to wipe out all climate litigation. I am not an expert on RICO laws, but I know that they vary from state to state. In the RICO litigation against former President Trump in Georgia it is often said that Georgia has one of the strongest RICO laws in the country. When the Justice Department went after the tobacco companies using the federal RICO law, the courts said it could be used to get muscular injunctive relief, but not damages. I hope these answers are helpful.
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Post by Zach Duffy on Feb 28, 2024 22:59:05 GMT
Professor,
I loved your lecture and love your coursebook. Now that most of the attempts to remove the actions to federal court have failed, are there other major procedural challenges that the oil companies can raise to stall the trials? Have there been dates set for trial in the cases now that the removal requests have been denied? How soon could we expect to see one of the cases tried?
Cheers, Zach Duffy
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Post by H. Madison Short on Feb 29, 2024 14:59:47 GMT
Professor Percival,
I enjoyed your lecture. Thank you for taking the time to put it together. I am optimistic a Big Oil settlement agreement could rightfully provide funds that states need to adapt to the challenges of climate change.
The MSA, in part, banned billboard advertisements, marketing towards youth, and brand sponsorship at sporting events across the United States. Do you think a Big Oil settlement agreement could similarly ban future oil marketing? Specifically, less-than-truthful "greenwashing" campaigns?
I look forward to your response and to following this litigation more closely.
Thanks again,
H. Madison Short J.D. Candidate 2024 Mercer University School of Law
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Post by Robert Percival on Feb 29, 2024 15:43:21 GMT
Excellent questions! I do not know specifics with respect to trial dates, though I may learn more this afternoon from a guest lecture given by one of the plaintiff's attorneys. The weakness of the oil companies's efforts to remove the cases to federal court was illustrated on Monday when a panel of the 4th Circuit unanimously affirmed a remand order by a federal district court in Anne Arundel County v. BP. The panel's opinion began with the following statement: "The appellants in these cases display a real commitment to the maxim, 'If at first you don’t succeed, try, try, try again.' In recent years, state and local governments have brought state-court lawsuits against energy companies, alleging they misrepresented and concealed information about their fossil fuel products in violation of state tort and consumer protection laws. The companies have sought—over and over and over—to remove the cases to federal court. By our count, that gambit has failed in at least ten cases already. The eleventh time is not the charm."
So far there has not been a move to negotiate any settlement of the numerous state tort cases, which seem to be growing in numbers every day. But in a negotiated settlement the plaintiffs and companies would have latitude to agree on remedial measures in addition to a monetary settlement. In the tobacco cases many conservative state attorneys general initially resisted filing their own lawsuits, but when it became apparent that the suits were winning, every state followed suit.
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Post by Allyson Reynolds on Mar 1, 2024 22:53:08 GMT
Professor,
I have a fairly cynical question. If the oil companies had admitted that their products contributed to climate change and had not engaged in a disinformation campaign, would it have made a big difference for most consumers? Would consumers have stopped buying gasoline, driven fewer miles, and converted to public transportation more quickly than they did otherwise? Has ridership on public transportation increased substantially since it has become clearer that oil and natural gas contribute to climate change in the manner that they do?
Cynically, Allyson Reynolds
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Post by Bob Percival on Mar 2, 2024 1:30:59 GMT
That is a very astute question! If the oil companies had been totally honest about what their scientists were telling them at a crucial time when we could have acted to prevent some of the worst effects of climate change, I suspect it would have had some impact on consumer behavior and public policy. How to prove that is another matter, but the reason they chose to deceive the public probably reflects their fear that telling the truth would have reduced consumption of their products. The parallel with the tobacco industry is striking. People still smoke, but the rate of smoking is down substantially. Because these are not strict liability torts that are being alleged, it is important to be able to show that the oil industry knew what the truth was and deliberately tried to distort or conceal it. Once the evidence that climate change was real became overwhelming, the oil companies then shifted gears and spent huge sums on public relations campaigns to try to portray themselves as part of the solution - that they were investing in alternative energy solutions when this was largely window dressing.
I hope this is useful. I have enjoyed fielding your questions this week.
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